subs obedience

[subserviant]

I guess i should have made it clearer that it would be a soft limit , and it was not part of the punishment when i said that it was to make a point that the Domm is still theDomm and just because asub feels she dosnet feel like taking punishment shuold the Domm punish her anyway .If my Domm asks me to do some thing like up his shirt from the cleaners and i say the hell with it and dont do it , yet i want to stay in the relationship ,my Domm asks me why and flip him off with a smart ass repley , he then deciedes its time to punish me , do i have the right to say no even though i want the relationship to continue. I dont think i do . With regard to hte swallowing i can see if its going to bring up things the sub cant deal with then i agree with u but in this case its saying no to swalowing because the sub just dosent want to . i dont know but ithink the Domm has the right to demand it maybe im wrong but its the way i feel

[badlyguidedlittlemis]

If my Domm asks me to do some thing like up his shirt from the cleaners and i say the hell with it and dont do it , yet i want to stay in the relationship ,my Domm asks me why and flip him off with a smart ass repley , he then deciedes its time to punish me , do i have the right to say no even though i want the relationship to continue. I dont think i do.

If a Dom has asked a sub to carry out a task, the sub should carry it out within a reasonable time frame for that task and to the best of their ability. I do not believe that the sub should 'just not do it' if there is not a good reason for them not to have done it. If the sub can not, or does not want to do the task, they may discuss this with the Dom, but at the end of the day it is the Dom's final say depending on the 'rules' in the relationship.

With regard to hte swallowing i can see if its going to bring up things the sub cant deal with then i agree with u but in this case its saying no to swalowing because the sub just dosent want to . i dont know but ithink the Domm has the right to demand it maybe im wrong but its the way i feel

The Dom has no right to demand something which is a limit for you, even if it's a soft one. Limits are yours, for your reasons and you do not have to cross them if you do not want to.

[sidhewolf]

I guess i should have made it clearer that it would be a soft limit , and it was not part of the punishment when i said that it was to make a point that the Domm is still theDomm and just because asub feels she dosnet feel like taking punishment shuold the Domm punish her anyway .If my Domm asks me to do some thing like up his shirt from the cleaners and i say the hell with it and dont do it , yet i want to stay in the relationship ,my Domm asks me why and flip him off with a smart ass repley , he then deciedes its time to punish me , do i have the right to say no even though i want the relationship to continue. I dont think i do . With regard to hte swallowing i can see if its going to bring up things the sub cant deal with then i agree with u but in this case its saying no to swalowing because the sub just dosent want to . i dont know but ithink the Domm has the right to demand it maybe im wrong but its the way i feel

Hello Subserviant and All~

*To me* a soft Limit is a Training issue for the PPL involved. If it's something the Dom/me wants, expects, or demands, then that Dom/me Should have it, AND the pleasure of the Submissive or Slave may be limited only to having Obeyed and Given what was required....but for many this is enough, and even the point to begin with. What is Serving without Serving? Proper Training can most times overcome the soft resistance to something a Submissive may find unappealing at first, sometimes not. But if whatever it is is not a previously discussed Hard Limit, it either Needs to be discussed if it is in fact a Hard Limit for Anyone participating, and the Dom/me's wishes carried out if it's a soft limit.

I can think back to my earlier days when there were many things I *thought* I may not like, or for some reason *seemed* distastefull or scarey to me...and How Much I would have missed out on IF the Dom had listened to my objections <G>. Thank Goodness there was Training available to me instead.

I Agree that a Hard Limit is what it is. Not Negotiable, or to be crossed by Anyone.

Check Lists in the beginning of any Power Exchange Relationship is a good thing I think. They help avoid some issues later on.

Just my thoughts and experience, no one else's.

Respectfully~SidheWolf