Nov Election, Candidates Aside...

[Ragoczy]

It is in the Constitution after FDR served 4 terms I believe it was

Would you want George Bush President 8 more years, or Clnton for 12 years ect ect
I only use those names as they are the most recent ones

Missed this earlier.

No, I wouldn't like either of them for another term. Reagan, yes, but no other President in my lifetime.

But, like everything else involving freedom, limiting what I don't want but others do also means limiting what I may one day want.

[mkemse]

And after the Election in Novembmer if i ever hear the phrase again "My Firends" I will throw up
I am tired of hearing him say that every day day in day out

and tonight as Mccain said he s worried about lossing the election, Obama said he is worried about People looingtheir jobs, homes, retirement funds ect interting point of who is concenred about what

[mkemse]

Presidential term limits are relatively new -- it wasn't until 1951 that the 22nd Amendment was ratified. And there's only been one President who served more than two terms, so was it such a problem that it needed a Constitutional Amendment to fix?

Apparently so or the 22nd Amendment never would have been passed

[Ragoczy]

Presidential term limits are relatively new -- it wasn't until 1951 that the 22nd Amendment was ratified. And there's only been one President who served more than two terms, so was it such a problem that it needed a Constitutional Amendment to fix?

Apparently so or the 22nd Amendment never would have been passed

Right, because things don't get passed for stupid reasons. Like, say, a bunch of idiots wanting to ban alcohol would never be able to get something like that into the Constitution with disastrous results ...

The 22nd Amendment was a knee-jerk reaction to FDR being elected to four terms -- which only came about because of a unique series of events. The Democrats never would have nominated FDR for a third term except for two things: 1) the Republicans had made significant gains in Congress; and 2) World War II was starting. The Democrats felt that FDRs leadership through the Depression would give him an advantage with the threat facing the US. So he won his third term and then his fourth election was during wartime when it's generally been considered a bad idea to change leadership. If it hadn't been for the war, he likely wouldn't have been nominated, much less elected, for even the third term.

But the concept of a four-term President scared the hell out of Congress and they pushed the Amendment through pretty damn quick.

So let's look at something here -- FDR's leadership is generally credited as a significant reason for the Allied victory in WWII. If the 22nd Amendment had been in place prior to 1930, he would have been ineligible to be President during the war. That Amendment has put us in a position where we may not be able to have the best man for the job as President during a time of crisis and may have to change leadership in the middle of a war some day. I'm not sure that's a good thing.

[Thorne]

Right, because things don't get passed for stupid reasons. Like, say, a bunch of idiots wanting to ban alcohol would never be able to get something like that into the Constitution with disastrous results ...

You forgot to hit your sarcasm button for this one, didn't you?

The 22nd Amendment was a knee-jerk reaction to FDR being elected to four terms ... the concept of a four-term President scared the hell out of Congress and they pushed the Amendment through pretty damn quick.

The way I heard it, long ago, is that the Republican Party was so angry about FDR being elected to four terms that it was they who pushed through the amendment. And then they were kicking themselves when Eisenhower had to step down after two terms. (Don't know if that's true, and I'm too lazy to look it up. Chalk it up to anecdotal evidence.)

Like you, I'm up in the air on term limits. It's a great idea when there's a dope in the office, not so good when there's a truly great man there. (Not that I think there are all that many great men, or women, in politics.) But I think it's something that needs to be fair. If Congress wants to impose term limits on the Presidency, then it's only right that there be term limits on Congress as well.

[mkemse]

The only heads of state with No Terms Limits are the Castros (who stepped down due to health, Hgo Chavez, and even in Russia for all intensive purposes Putin is stil in charge even if not in Title

[Ragoczy]

The only heads of state with No Terms Limits are the Castros (who stepped down due to health, Hgo Chavez, and even in Russia for all intensive purposes Putin is stil in charge even if not in Title

We have term limits called elections and they worked fine for 150+ years with multiple, orderly and peaceful transfers of power in the Executive Branch.

[Kuskovian]

A side note on the side topic:

I served 16 years in the military through four different conflicts so my fellow Americans could excersise thier rights.

Free speech is one of those rights.

Just becuase I would never burn my country's flag that so many of my brothers and sisters have died for (except for the proper disposal ritual)
doesn't mean I am going to object or stop others using it to express the freedom our sacrifices made possible.

Just remember what you are saying when you do it.


Now back on topic:

I would love if they simplified the election proccess and removed the coruption from the system, unfortunately it is the same corrupt bastards in charge that would have to do it.

This election has been way too long.

The biased media is not even attempting to hide it's influence and is; as some allready mentioned above, basically trying to decide for us.

That day of change will not arrive until we lose our sence of complacency.

The Tree of Liberty wll only thrive again when we become less like "dull eyed sheep", and more like the "men" that founded this venture we call "the land of the free and the home of the brave".

But a better man than I once said it best:

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Thomas Jefferson.

[mkemse]

I apprciciate your posts and remarks aboe and thank you for your time service to The United States