The Church orders Wives to Submit to their Husbands

[IAN 2411]

Lets get things back into focus, how did God say in the bible that woman had to submit. God never wrote the bible, it was man, and unless this man had some kind of portal to speak with this mythical higher authority, then God never said anything like that. I am a Christian but not by choice, but for all any one of us knows the first half of the bible could have been written by a complete nobody. Even in the 21st centuary the world is still getting these so called priests calling themselves the sons of God, they are all spouting the same rubbish, dont do as i do, but do as i say. Then a few thousand people that are as mad as he is, go and build a comune. Where is your proof that god said all that the Vicar is talking about, and dont say Christ, because him being the son of God is now debateable in the 21st centuary, he could have been an early version of Paul McKenna, an extremely good illusionist. There are healers now that i know of that can with a touch help people in pain, so i will leave that to your own imagination.

Regards ian 2411

[Thorne]

I am a Christian but not by choice,

This line intrigues me. Are you being held captive in a church?

But in all seriousness, if this is not your choice, what would your choice be? I was raised a Catholic, but I chose to turn away from the church, from all religions. I would really like to know why you feel you don't have a choice.

[Flaming_Redhead]

Lets get things back into focus, how did God say in the bible that woman had to submit.

In Genesis, chapter 3 tells of the fall of man. Verse 16 says, "To the woman he (God) said, I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

In the New Testament, Paul, an apostle of Christ, wrote a letter to the Ephesians on a number of issues, one of them being wives and husbands. Verses 22-24 say, "Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything." He said it again to the Colossians; chapter 3 verse 18 says, "Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord." Peter, an apostle of Christ, wrote to the early church on wives and husbands, also; 1 Peter chapter 3 verse 1 says, "Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, when they see the purity and reverence of your lives."

God never wrote the bible, it was man, and unless this man had some kind of portal to speak with this mythical higher authority, then God never said anything like that.

In Christianity, it is believed that the Bible is the divinely inspired word of God. It is not merely one book but many books and letters written by many authors over the course of many, many years. It is a miracle in itself that when all the books were eventually compiled together they complimented and agreed with each other.

I am a Christian but not by choice

You always have a choice.

[Thorne]

It is a miracle in itself that when all the books were eventually compiled together they complimented and agreed with each other.

When did this happen? Aren't there two contradictory versions of Creation? Isn't it true that the four Gospels, supposed to be the teaching of four men who actually walked with Jesus, don't agree on so many things?

In truth, the Bible was pulled together by various factions of Christianity from numerous competing beliefs. Those which most supported the powers-that-were remained in the Bible. Those which did not were not only excised but ordered destroyed, to reduce the possiblitly of people thinking there might be other paths to heaven.

[Bren122]

When did this happen? Aren't there two contradictory versions of Creation? Isn't it true that the four Gospels, supposed to be the teaching of four men who actually walked with Jesus, don't agree on so many things?

In truth, the Bible was pulled together by various factions of Christianity from numerous competing beliefs. Those which most supported the powers-that-were remained in the Bible. Those which did not were not only excised but ordered destroyed, to reduce the possiblitly of people thinking there might be other paths to heaven.

The Council of Nicea was organised by Constantine the Great to end the Gnostic Schism that challenged the general teaching of the trinity by claiming that because Jesus was a man he was therefore less holy than God or the Holy Spirit. The first meetings defined the Niscene Creed which was basically a set of rules for what Christians believed in and then the Bible, which had grown to several dozen gospels, was culled of anything that disagreed with the Creed.
The Council was attended by all the Bishops of the Eastern Church and half the Bishops of the Western Church together with three legates from the Pope in Rome; even the Celtic Church of Ireland sent Bishops.
The decline of the Western Church was already in evidence for many of those attending were more administrators then theologians and the discussion was dominated by about six senior Eastern Bishops.
Although keeping two bodyguards for personal protection, Constantine did everything in his power to try and keep it a wholly clerical discussion, even going so far as to send half the city garrison away as a sign he didn't want the bishops to feel compelled to any particular view of his- other than that the Schism be ended one way or the other.
The Western Church was unsatisfied with the outcome and added the Apocrypha to its Bibles. Until the final break between East and West, the Pope maintained the fiction that these were not officially part of the Bible. Because this was a Papal decision the Lutherans and Calvinists ditched the Apocrypha as one of their first acts.