BDSM And Feminism: Intertwined? How So?

[thir]

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Biology , a supreme being or beings, the force, what have you, and millions of years of evolution have allready predetermined the vast majority of your "place" within nature, (just as it has with everything else living) that you rail against it as a "feminist" doesnt mean your genitic makeup or chemical structure is going to change to accomadate your beliefs.

As they say in anatomy and phisiology: "structure equals function"


I refuse to conform to it becuase I would have to convince myself that somthing that is a "lie" is instead somhow illogically the "truth".[/I]

This is what is so confusing to me. Anyone has a right to their opinions and ideas and what to call themselves, but you how can you call it facts? We are talking about early humans (or so I read it) and how they lived, and noone knows too much about that. There simply isn't anything to point to, much less prove, that idea of man as protector and provider, and women as, excuse me, eternal parasites on his work, for so I must see it.

All animals have males and females, all females give birth or lay eggs or whatever, but none are provided for by any male. In some species, birds, both sexes provide for the young and take turns warning the eggs, but to the best of my knowledge that is it.

I respect your opinion, but I do not see that you have any facts to back up your opinion as fact, nor any cause to be so angry about people who question the factual basis of your opinions.

We all have our ideas, but noone has the eternal truth.

[leo9]

There simply isn't anything to point to, much less prove, that idea of man as protector and provider, and women as, excuse me, eternal parasites on his work, for so I must see it.

For those who try to refer everything back to animal models, it's worth pointing out that in almost every species I can think of, "protection" is what females do for their young. Folklore everywhere says that the most dangerous creature to threaten is a mother, whether it's a sheep or a lion. Males don't come into it.

Males that "protect" a mob of females (it doesn't happen in species that form couples) usually spend most of their effort "protecting" them against mating with other males. When it comes to predators, the group stands together.

"Man the protector", like "Man the provider" (and its counterpart, "Woman the brainless breeder"), is part of the Tarzan theory of human evolution, which was demolished decades ago in serious science but still thrives in pop textbooks.